show notes for episode 4:

Henry Rollins

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conversation recorded May 2018.

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some organizations offering care & support to children & families at our southern border:

(click links to find out more)

International Rescue Committee

(Providing clean water, shelter, health care, education, and empowerment support to refugees and displaced people.)

Freedom for Immigrants

(Dedicated to abolishing immigration detention worldwide, while ending the isolation of people currently suffering in this profit-driven system.)


(Providing free and low-cost legal services to immigrant children, families,and refugees in Texas.)

Fronterizo Fianza Fund

(The Fronterizo Fianza Fund is a community bond (fianza) fund based in El Paso and serving Far West Texas and New Mexico. Many detained migrants have no chance to be released while they wait the months or years until their trial. When someone does receive a bond, they are often way out of reach for most families, ranging anywhere from $1500-50,000.)


(American Civil Liberties Union defending and preserving the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States.)

National Center for Youth Law

(non-profit law firm helping low-income children achieve their potential by transforming the public agencies that serve them.)

This is an excellent list of resources compiled by the Texas Tribune.

“To be conscientious and white in this country is more of a high caloric intellectual burn than one might think.”

- Henry Rollins

theme songs:

Instrumental versions of “Turn the World Around” and “The Story of My Morals” by Bunk (included in playlist below)

books referenced throughout the conversation:

The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander:


Sweat (play) by Lynn Nottage:


Ruined (play) by Lynn Nottage:


Black Flag - “Rise Above”:


John Coltrane, Live in Belgium, 1965:


John Coltrane with Eric Dolphy:


Noam Chomsky - “Who Rules The World Now?”:


Henry’s radio show on KCRW

Henry’s podcast

organizations Henry supports:

Trevor Project

(non-profit focused on suicide prevention efforts among LGBTQI youth)

Drop In The Bucket

(non-profit building wells and sanitation systems at schools in Africa)

Southern Poverty Law Center

(fighting hate and bigotry; dedicated to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society)